The Mormon War on Porn | Slutever


Is there a part of you that loves the
provocation of being… a lesbian, Mormon pornographer? For sure. Yes, I absolutely love **** off
the church by making Mormon porn. It’s super fun for me. If you don’t grow up Mormon you don’t
realize that there’s all these sexy things about it. But, if you grow up Mormon… in this kind of a repressed sexual
environment, there’s all sorts of things
that are sexy about it. Like you may not realize the
fact that I’m about to show you this green thing is,
it’s very secret. When you get your temple clothes
from the temple, you don’t show them to anybody,
least of all non-Mormons. I think I’m being very blasphemous
right now. You are, you are. Any Mormon who sees this
is going to die. And… action. In 2016, Utah became the first state
to officially declare porn a public health crisis. Making waves across the world, the BBC,Timemagazine, USA Today,
evenThe Daily Show…All of them, talking about a measure
declaring pornography a public health crisis. This anti-pornography resolution
claims that porn has a detrimental effect on brain function, contributes
to emotional and medical illnesses, and causes deviant sexual arousal. Weird, porn has always been good
to me. I guess that means
I’m a psychotic pervert. It seemed like there was a lot of
holes in this story, and I wanted to
get to the bottom of all of them. So I started at the most logical
place… a Mormon porn site. I’m here at a secret location, about
to meet “Brooke,” who’s the founder of the porn siteMormongirlz.com.The pornography itself is actually
quite funny and well-made, and self-aware. I’m here to prepare you for my seed. I’m so interested to hear what her
take on it is, because she grew up in a Mormon community and has
since left the church. And now, of course, is in this
extremely stigmatized industry. Brooke has asked to remain anonymous. If she came out as being
a pornographer, it might really devastate ties with
her family and her entire community. So you grew up in Utah in a
very religious family. Yeah, in a big, Mormon family. So… what that means is, especially
for someone like me, who’s gay, sexual, looking at porn,
masturbating… all of those things were off limits,
right? I also felt extra freaky, because
lesbianism doesn’t actually exist in the Mormon consciousness. Were you feeling shame because of
that? Or did you somehow… have a more liberated attitude? Yeah, I felt a lot of shame. I was very secretive about it,
and… porn kind of helped me
explore my sexuality. Like, figure out what I am,
you know? Right. It tells you what’s
on the menu, kind of. Yeah. Are a lot of the themes that
you explore in your porn based on actual experiences that you
had in the Mormon church growing up? I definitely use my upbringing as
inspiration for different… scenes on the site. For example, with President Oaks. Do you promise to honor and obey me? He’s the general stand-in
for a Mormon bishop. One of the things he does… is he
conducts two interviews each year with every member
of his congregation. And they start young,
like at 12 years old. So every 12-year-old girl is
alone in a room with this older guy. And he’s asking her questions
about her sexual behaviors, her thoughts, her desires. Have you ever thought about having
sex with your brother? No.I’ve heard that President Oaks
can be a real pervert.
And I was nervous about
being alone with him.
I went through those interviews
with my bishop. That’s definitely inspiration
for scenes. Also, I went through
the Mormon temple. I wore that secret underwear.
I went through the rituals where… a female temple worker
was doing rituals on my body where they slipped their hands
underneath my clothes and caressed different parts
of my body. That all works its way into the porn. This is where I keep all
the Mormon… gear. So this is your temple outfit. When you come of age, you stop
wearing normal people underwear. And you start wearing these special
Mormon underwear. They call them garments. You wear them every day against your
skin for your protection. Protection against what? Evil forces in the world. So you have your underwear, you have
your dress, and then you’re going to
participate in some Mormon rituals. So there’s this,
which is a fig leaf apron. It’s meant to represent the fig
leaf from the Garden of Eden. So this is like your modesty. The green apron and this robe,
they’re harder to come by. You can’t get them if you’re not,
like I talked about, that card-carrying Mormon. And how do you get them for porn? Various means. Sometimes our enthusiastic members, who are no longer affiliated
with the church, will send us all their old temple
clothes or their old garments. -Naughty.
-Yes, super naughty. Is there a Mormon underwear
black market? Yes, exactly. OK, do you want to put it on? Sure. How do you think that the anti-porn
resolution is going to affect people in Utah? I don’t know. I mean, it certainly doesn’t help
people feel less shame around their sexuality, right? They’re just continuing
down the path of… their super anti-sex world view. There is like a… fitting irony. I mean, Mormons, because of polygamy,
were some of the most famous sexual outlaws in American history. It’s funny that you put this on
people before they’re about to film a porn scene. We like to give the authentic
experience, right? Because, for viewers who are
Mormon… they’re like, “Holy ****, they’re
actually doing the whole thing.” You’re Mormon! I’ve always wanted to be. Finally. Now that I’ve become a Mormon,
I’m going to go interview Bette Davis, who is one of the stars
ofMormon Girlz.And, also Brooke is going to direct
us in a sort of pseudo porn shoot, where she’s going to walk us through
the Mormon rituals. And we’re going to see how it
goes down on aMormon Girlzset. What do you think of the costumes? Because, I actually think this,
bizarrely, looks good on me. I like it. I was never really into this part,
though. I thought that was
a little bit weird. Really? Without this, and
without this, I might wear this. I think I would, too. What has been the reaction to
your work withMormon Girlz? I mean, some people see
it as… a negative thing towards their religion, I guess. But, I think that’s what
makes it even better because it’s just defying… all the rules, right? And it seems as though religion, if
anything, makes people more slutty. -I agree.
-It works for me. Me too. Alright. So Karley, in this scene…
you’re going to be a virginal bride. And it’s Bette’s job to inspect you,
to make sure you’re worthy for your husband. -****.
-Yeah. So let’s start with you putting
your veil back over your face. There you go. You’re going to stand there, and now
Bette’s going to hold your hands and say to you, “Do you promise
to honor and obey me?” And then you don’t answer. And then she’s going to say to you,
“Bow your head and say, ‘Yes’.” Do you promise to honor and obey me? Bow your head and say, “Yes.” -Say, “Yes.”
-Yes. Before you go any further, you’re
going to come up to her very close and say, “Are you a virgin?”
and Karley, you’re going to say… “Yes.” OK.
And… action. Are you a virgin? -Yes.
-Are you sure? Alright, cut. So what I actually
want from you, Karley, is a little bit more, you’re like,
“Yes, I am.” You know what I mean?
Like you’re not being coy– -Make me believe it–
-You’re not being coy here. You want her to believe that you…
didn’t accidentally let your high school boyfriend
slip a finger in. -OK.
-Cool. Are you a virgin? -Yes.
-Are you sure? Yes. I’ll be able to tell. I am. Is this allowed? Yeah. I feel… like God’s watching us. He told me it was OK. I just left the set ofMormon Girlz.And… I learned that definitely a
big reason why Brooke makes the porn that she does is a reaction to
the repression she felt growing up in the LDS Church. So now that I’ve learned the porn
version of everything there is to know about the Mormon religion,
I’m excited to get news about this anti-porn resolution
straight from the source. While it is obviously possible to
have a negative relationship to porn, the psychiatric community has
repeatedly said there is no evidence that people can actually be
addicted to pornography. Do you think that there should be
limitations put on pornography and who can watch it, and where
it can be viewed online? I think pornography should
be outlawed. I think that pornography
is a cancer to society. Everyone should stay away from it,
to keep their relationships… pure. A lot of the porn stars
are… sex slaves, really. A lot of them are refugees and stuff
that have been forced into it. Do you think that pornography
is a public health crisis? I definitely think that something
needs to be done to… either stop it or just ban it altogether. There is truth that’s established by
God, and it doesn’t matter what I think. And if he says this isn’t
appropriate, I really don’t think
anyone should participate in that. Do you think that pornography
is a public health crisis? No, definitely not. Most of the people that live around
here don’t agree with you. True. That’s very true. I’m here in the State Capitol
building in Utah about to interview the senator. We’re going to get the rundown on
this symbolic ban on pornography. He is a lawyer, so we know that he is
not anti-First Amendment. But he does want to implicate
restrictions on people’s ability, specifically young people,
to view pornography. So… Yeah… is that him? That’s just someone in a suit,
like a Mormon. No, that is him. -Is that him?
-Yeah.
OK. And he’s not just a senator. This anti-porn resolution has turned
Weiler into a full-fledged celeb. This is my porn file. It’s not…
there’s no porn in here. But it’s all of my articles and… What I found was, when this story
went viral, people started sending me stuff like, “Oh, you’ve got to read this book,
and you’ve got to read this article.” And so I just…
You might be interested in this.Timemagazine came out with this
issue and I’m quoted in this article. I don’t show it around a lot
because of the… imagery. I mean, I think it’s obviously
sexualized, because they’re talking about pornography, so… I mean I’m not a prude. But it’s not
something that I’m going to run around show… you know,
showing kids and stuff. I have to admit, when I first heard
about the resolution, my first thought was, “OK, Mormons
being prude about pornography.” And then when I started reading and
watching your interviews… my mind changed, and I thought,
“OK, he’s actually coming at this from a really rational,
well-intentioned place.” Do you ever worry that people take it
and run with it, and people just say, “Porn is bad,” and then it turns
into a way of shaming people for watching pornography. Well, I think at least with people
who grow up in Christian homes, I think there is a “shame”
element there. And I think that those people are
much more likely to get addicted to alcohol or drugs,
as well as pornography, because of that shame element. I’m still trying to understand
and learn about all these things. But, clearly, we need to talk about
self-respect, self-esteem, self-image, and just
respect for people. Your own body
and other people’s bodies. So how do you define something as
being a public health crisis? Is it based on anecdotal…
experiences, or– Well, we’ve declared… opioid
overdose as a public health crisis, we’ve declared suicide, teen suicide,
as a public health crisis. So what I wanted to do is run a
resolution, and a resolution is not a law. We didn’t create a law. It’s more of a statement of intent
to bring attention to this issue. And, my objective continues
to be to try to protect children from pornography. And so… I think a lot of kids,
they’ll start looking at pornography out of curiosity. And they have no idea that this
could have a hook on them, like drugs do with other people,
or the same people, and really kind of undermine
their relationships, their marriages,
sometimes their employment. I completely agree with you that
we should… try and prevent young children
from watching pornography. Yes. Everything I’m doing
is trying to say, “Let these kids grow up
and be innocent, let them be kids.” If they want to be… If they become adults and
want to look at porn all day… It’s America, they can do
whatever they want. So I’m not trying to ban it. It’s clearly a very loaded subject,
which is why it’s gone so viral. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I got a call from
The Daily Show
this week. -They want to–
-You should go onThe Daily Show. I’m going to.
I’m totally going to. And, I know they’re going to
make fun of me. But, again, I’m not afraid. If I can
continue to get this message out, I’m not afraid of being… I mean, I’m already
the butt of a lot of jokes. Yeah, you’re trying to start
a conversation. Yeah, I’m trying to
start a conversation, so… Respect. I just finished talking
with Senator Weiler. I actually liked him a lot more
than I thought I would. He definitely takes
a more rational approach to the idea of that
pornography is bad than a lot of other people
in the Mormon community. I think that a lot of people,
specifically some of the people we’re going to see at the
convention, are going to take… a less nuanced and more aggressive
anti-pornography stance. Wow, this is glamorous. Finally, we’ve made it to Utah’s
Coalition Against Pornography, full of roughly 3,000 white people
who claim not to masturbate. It’s an all-day event, ranging from
speakers like psychologists who preach that watching porn just
once will destroy your life, to recovering porn addicts
giving confessionals. I’m praying that no one’s Googled me,
and we’re gonna talk to people about what they think about this
anti-porn resolution. We’re assuming that they’re psyched
about it, but let’s see what’s up. In this talk, I would like to talk
about the essential reason pornography is wrong. Now, no one talk can cover
all of the different facets, all of the things that need
to be said. And I’m not going to attempt that. Instead, I’d like to focus
on this one issue. Is pornography instinctively bad,
or is it just bad because of the consequences
that result from it? And I’m going to be arguing
for the former. Sexual desire is good, sex is good,
and the body is good. The naked body is good. If it weren’t,
you couldn’t degrade it. What’s the reasons people give for
thinking that pornography is wrong? It alters the way that you see life,
the way that you see women… The way you view sex in general. And it just prevents you from seeing
things as they really are. Pornography itself… causes you depression, shame,
anxiety, dishonesty, isolation… I mean, I could go on forever. And it can also, because it rewires
the reward centers, then it leads to people wanting
it more and more. Drugs you can flush out, but…
memories you can’t. We have a war of ideology now. And that darkness could easily
take us over, just like it could have
in World War II. Like the Nazis, and then communism,
and then porn? Exactly. And then porn, well said.
Nazis, communism, and porn.. Yeah, and you know what?
I’m not willing to stand by and let that happen. I want to do my part,
to make a difference. And, if you don’t mind me asking,
what religion do you associate with? I’m a member of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Mormon religion. I am a member of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints. -Yeah, Mormons.
-Mormons. Yes. We were told 5 million times that this convention was
non-denominational, and that it wasn’t a Mormon thing. But, we barely met any single person
that wasn’t LDS church, so… it was a Mormon thing. We’re at the youth panel… of people who are
recovering from porn addiction. So we’re going to try and talk
to the guy in the purple. He is in his early 20s, and he’s
a recovering porn addict. This is… that baby is trying
to steal my phone. Excuse me, no. ****-Nice to meet you.
-Hi, I’m Karley. -Hi there. How are you guys?
-Hi, nice to meet you. How do you know if
you’re a porn addict? Like, what are the signs? You watch it, you want to stop.
You feel like you can’t stop. You feel like you’re trying to get
help, but you feel like you need it, and you can’t stop. So I’m not talking to the
recreational guy who… watches porn and whatever
a few times a week. So watching porn a few times a
week is actually fine if it’s not… affecting you? I wouldn’t say that.
I would not personally say that. My name’s Natale, I work with
Fight The New Drug. We’re a non-profit organization
that educates on the harmful effects of pornography. We’re just looking to raise awareness
and educate, specifically young people. Why are you so passionate about
teaching people about the dangers of pornography? Did you have a negative experience
with porn yourself? That’s a great question. So personally, I never struggled
with pornography, but… as a heterosexual female,
in my relationships… I did date a lot of people
who struggled with it. And it certainly impacted the ways
that they… thought about me, the things
that they expected of me, because of what they
had seen in pornography. But it’s definitely something that,
once you’re stimulated by something, there comes a time
when it’s not enough. They’re just going down the rabbit
hole to something more extreme. And in some cases, that leads to
illegal forms of pornography, like child pornography. Right. And then you end up
watching stepmom gang bang porn. The last two years those have been
top-searched porn types, which is just something interesting,
to… I read that a lot of families’
search bar situations… Very interesting. -Incest porn.
-Essentially, yeah. -So.
-Interesting. Thank you very much. Absolutely.
Anything else? -Yeah, I want to get a t-shirt.
-Yeah, let’s get you a t-shirt. OK. Give me one minute. OK. Thank you, Laurie. Can you explain this book
that you recently authored? Yeah, well the first book
I authored wasGood Pictures Bad Pictures:
Porn-Proofing Today’s Young Kids.
And it’s a read-aloud story, so it
makes it easy for parents to… start this conversation with
their children. When is the best time to start
educating children about pornography? Is it just, like, immediately
after they’re born? Well, I would say when they start
having language and when they start
having access to the Internet. So we say three. Because every three-year-old
has access to the internet, or access to someone
that has access to the internet. Which is insane. Literally, I left
my bag over there for five seconds and this little baby came up and
grabbed my phone out of my bag– -Exactly.
-I was like, “She’s a porn addict.” Exactly. Are you here today for the
anti-pornography convention? I didn’t start out that way. But after seeing it happening,
I had to wander in, yeah. I am a teacher and go to schools
regularly all around the state. Where there is no longer any sexual
education taught at those schools. And to see the detriment these kids
go through, and the horrible pain that’s coming
from conventions like this, is severely harmful
to our population. And do you think it’s because this
culture of shaming, that says, “Porn is bad, sex is bad?” Then people don’t feel comfortable
asking the right questions when they want to engage
in sexual activity? Absolutely. We have no idea
what consent is in general. And so… no one knows how to talk
about it, no one knows how to ask about it. If we are allowing pornography to be
there, which it should be allowed. Because people should be able to
do whatever they need to in a safe environment. We need to back that with resolutions
and funding to promote healthy sex education. As someone who considers myself a
libertarian, sex-radical feminist, I didn’t think that I was going
to be bonding with the anti-porn Mormons. I do agree that we should keep
hardcore pornography out of the hands of young children. However, a lot of people
went far beyond that, though. They took the anti-porn stance
to a degree where it just felt like shaming people for the very basic
desire of wanting to watch porn. And the thing about this… “This is the right way and
this is the only way” mentality that religion often puts forward
is that it breeds extremes of people leaving those churches
and those communities, and becoming people like me,
who write for blogs, or people like Brooke,
who makes Mormon pornography. And it makes me angry
when I see people feeling so much pain that feels
ultimately unnecessary… based on a belief that doesn’t give
human sexuality any room to breathe.

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