Apple, Google, Amazon working together? Smart home news

Apple, Google, Amazon working together?  Smart home news


right at the end of the year smart home
enthusiasts got an early Christmas present with a massive announcement from
Apple Google and Amazon they’re working together on a single smart home standard
called the project connected home over IP or chip after reading the news this
was my initial reaction but what is chip and why is it such a big deal for the
future of smart homes and why should you even care
I’m Matt Farrell welcome to undecided If you’ve watched my channel with any
regularity you know two things about me I like to dig into the how and the why
of technologies that can impact our lives and two I’m a big fan of smart
homes because they’re far more than eye candy and smart phone parlor tricks they
can add secured accessibility and help with energy conservation in any home but
recommending smart home gadgets and setups is tricky I’ve often referred to
the current state of smart home technology as being a bit of the Wild
West every company is out for themselves creating systems that often don’t talk
to a competitor system which means consumers can often get left holding the
bag it’s why I’m very selective in the gear that I recommend on this channel
the number one requirement is that it’s easy to use and setup the second
requirement is that it’s safe and secure and the third is that it’s
cross-platform as it possibly can be and sometimes you have to make trade-offs on
that last one to ensure the first two well with the announcement of chip it’s
looking like there may be a light at the end of the tunnel if it plays out like I
hope it does we may have all three of those items addressed going forward the
wild west may finally be tamed today we have several competing standards with
protocols like ZigBee, thread, z-wave, bluetooth LE, Wi-Fi, works with nest, apple
homekit, x10, Lutron … you get the idea each of them have their pros and their cons
start building out your smart home with one of these technologies but you need
to branch out to another you’re going to need to use some kind of bridge device
or service and most often we’re talking about
like smart things or habitat or services like ifttt which is if this than that
and like I said before it’s the Wild West this makes for a very challenging
user experience chip is aiming to put all of that behind us
things like ZigBee thread Bluetooth Wi-Fi aren’t going anywhere but there’ll
be a standard smart home communications protocol that operates amongst all of
that so the devices can seamlessly talk to each other in theory if you buy a
chip certified device from one company it’ll be able to work with another chip
certified device from a competitor for instance a smart thermostat would have a
standard way to communicate temperature humidity and fan speed as well as to
receive commands to adjust temperature or turn the fan on or off nest ecobee or
honeywell shouldn’t matter as long as they’re all chip certified one of the
most interesting things to me is that the heart of the effort is coming from
the ZigBee Alliance Apple Google and Amazon those are some of the biggest
players in smart homes today other partners include IKEA Legrand smart
things and silicon labs the last one is even more interesting
because Silicon Labs owns z-wave which is one of the other major smart home
wireless standards today z-wave in theory is open sourced but Silicon Labs
is the only company allowed to produce the z-wave wireless chips needed to make
it work it’s not exactly open a couple of days after the announcement of chip
silicon labs announced that they were opening up z-wave to allow competitors
to manufacture z-wave chips that move alone shows how massive chips impact on
the industry may end up being Apple also has open source aspects of home kits ADK
which is an assessment deployment kit which will make it easier for accessory
makers to test out and experiment with home kit without needing to pay upfront
and to quote Apple from their blog post about chip by open sourcing its home kit
technology Apple will be helping to jumpstart the initiative and ultimately
deliver an even better experience to customers starting today developers can
use the home kit open source ADK to prototype non-commercial smart home
accessories Apple will also contribute its home kit accessory protocol to the
working group the siloed nature of current smart home technology has been
holding it back I hear from a lot of people that they
just don’t get the appeal of smart home technology advertisers tend to focus
heavily on the hey look I can turn my lights red by using my phone and that
gives the perception that spark home technology is just eye candy and doesn’t
provide real value others have been burned by buying something that requires
a specific app and setup to use and it can’t talk to anything else in their
house nobody wants to have to jump between a half-dozen different apps to
configure things and the industry has finally woken up to the user experience
challenges and is attempting to fix it they’ll get a lot further working
together instead of trying to maintain such strict silos this is the first
smart home standard I’ve actually gotten excited about because of all the major
players that are involved the system is abstracting and unifying the underlying
communications between the devices that means companies like Apple Google Amazon
can focus on creating engaging software experiences on top of that
communications layer devices will just work and users will have a cohesive user
experience using whatever software platform they’re happiest with whether
that’s Amazon Apple Google smart things fill in your favorite platform here you
know the gadget side of things it should simplify development and
manufacturing a company doesn’t have to design their own light bulb or smart
thermostat to work specifically with Alexa
Google Amazon or even smart things and they don’t have to necessarily create
their own app just to get things up and running they can focus on creating
well-built smart home products this in theory should help to commoditize those
products and drive down prices lowering development costs will lower final
product cost and in the end we should hopefully see a wider variety of
products in the market with a lower cost and a far better user experience and set
up and use but what’s the downside I see two possible issues first groups like
this can get bogged down in corporate politics and infighting can slow down
agreement on a final standard so while this sounds like it’s a great concept on
paper there’s still a lot of details for the group to iron out they’re hoping to
have a finalized chip specification out by late 2020 which is great if they can
stick to that timeline the world wide web consortium took years to finalize
HTML five specification for websites it’s not
exactly an apples-to-apples comparison but standards bodies aren’t known for
their speed the second problem could be that it just
adds to the mess of standards that are already out there instead of one
specification to rule them all we just end up adding yet another this
could manifest through half-hearted adoption of the standard and since the
standardization will commoditize many smart home products like lights some
manufacturers may want to hold back certain features and functions for their
proprietary systems of software otherwise they could risk not standing
out from the crowd and we’ve seen similar issues and web standards and
browsers browser makers want to iterate and roll out new features that are part
of the standard yet and developers start creating websites targeted at those
browsers with non-standard HTML and CSS which makes other browsers not appear to
be fully functional and you end up seeing websites that say things like
best viewed in Chrome well that happened with this I hope not but will most
likely see some non-standard half-hearted implementations along the
way those potential pitfalls are far outweighed by the upside of this
announcement the smart home industry has needed a shake-up something to pull the
major players together in order to take Smart Homes truly mainstream it’ll take
a year or so for the standard to be agreed upon in a few more years to see a
lot of chips certified products hitting the market but it’s a start the timing
of this announcement couldn’t be better Wi-Fi 6 is a major leap over Wi-Fi 5
which is what we’re all using today and one of the big reasons I tend not to
recommend Wi-Fi smart home gear over ZigBee or z-wave is that most Wi-Fi
routers can’t handle a lot of devices connected at once most routers start to
choke when they hit around 50 devices which is pretty easy when you start
adding in things like lightbulbs and thermostats and door locks and even more
to your home Wi-Fi 6 changes that by being able to handle 4 times the number
of devices requiring less power from each device maintaining connection and
it’s also able to communicate with a dozen devices at the same time chip and
Wi-Fi 6 strikes me as the perfect pairing it’s the chocolate and peanut
butter combo that could accelerate adopt and improve the smart-home experience
does that mean we should hold off on buying gear until this stuff gets
finalized no well there’s still no information on upgrade ability of
current devices to the new standard Apple Amazon and Google have all said
they’re not deprecating old devices everything that works today will
continue to work into the future the chip announcement makes me even more
bullish on smart home technology in general I’m looking forward to the day
when I have a smart TV charger that can coordinate with my home’s battery and
solar panels to optimize my charging schedule to save me money all without me
having to do anything other than plugging the car into the charger there
are so many possibilities for how these devices can coordinate to save us energy
money and make us safer now are any of you excited about the possibilities
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92 comments

  1. I was just about to build a smart home later this week and i had a pretty good plan on devices to buy and now am freaking confused if i need to buy them or wait till another things come please help 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

  2. This was necessary, I have many nest products who don’t work with Apple home kit. Nest doesn’t work heathers smart valves, etc.

  3. That’s good news! As always, your video was very informative and well produced. As an early adopter, my home is full of HomeKit devices, Lutron shades, Schlage locks, HomePods and AppleTVs. Definite growing pains over the last two years as software gets updated. Here’s hoping the technology giants can come to a solution that simplifies the whole process. I’m fairly tech-friendly and can’t imagine “mere mortals” struggling to get it all working.

  4. Fully agree with you, it is likely gonna be big. My only worry is security, to date have restricted myself to HomeKit stuff as I sort of trust that, am not tech savvy enough to judge the rest out there.

  5. THANK YOU!!! Finally someone calls out the marketing of smart-home tech like it is … "eye candy". It's SO much more than that! I want a day that I don't have to pick up my phone to control anything (other than a settings change). I should be able to call on something to happen … and better yet, in the not so distant future … it just KNOWS what to do, based on habit.

  6. Well said Matt. Great video. This announcement definitely got me excited as well! This could be a great thing for the smart home market if it all pans out!

  7. What I want to know about is security. Will these systems that control everything Smart be hackable? Could someone else gain control to my Smart system?

  8. It's about time. The marine industry for years has had a standard called NMEA2000 that allows devices from different manufacturers to talk to each other. While this may not be an oranges to oranges comparison it's certainly an oranges to tangerines comparison.

  9. I have 4 smart devices at the moment, 1 lightbulb and 3 smart outlets. I just replaced my dying wifi5 router with a wifi 6 device. I am looking forward to more devices as I had not heard about this great news.

  10. Awesome video – the IOT space is going to get huge so standards are most welcome. On a related note, CES is showing a bi-directional EV charger that will provide vehicle to grid power. Instead of those limited runtime / noisy generators running after a hurricane, we can now have our cars power up items in the house silently: https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/06/wallbox-introduces-quasar-bi-directional-ev-charger-at-ces-2020/

  11. “… plugging my car into my charger.“ should be charging station. The charging circuitry, including the inverter, is in the vehicle. It’s the same with “chargers” for cellphones and tablets. They are power adapters that convert mains high voltage AC to low voltage DC (Apple gets it right on their website, although they have gone back to “SIM card”, a redundancy). Accuracy in tech reporting, please.

  12. In the same time i will be trying to figure out how to program plc from siemens to make my home "smart". Lets see who finishes first

  13. It's encouraging to see proprietary-happy folks like Apple making any concession ever.

    CHIP feels to good to be true when you consider multiple corporate interests with varying trajectories all agreeing to play nice and share the steering wheel. A lot can happen in 3 – 4 years right?

  14. I cannot wait to see what happens with this coalition! It really seems too good to be true, but either way, it's exciting times!

  15. If there is to be a universal protocol, it should be integrated in the device itself instead of an external interface. This way, much more control option will be available . I firmly believe that someone has think of it before me. The industry will take off with a new standard. ( and stop yelling ALEXA or OK GOOGLE ….! )

  16. Sonos is suing Google at the moment for patent stealing (infraction) but can't sue Apple at the same time because Sonos is too small i.e. not enough money bags …Sonos claims their blueprints gave too much away to them while Google and Apple ostensibly said the needed information about their smart speaker in order to be cohesive …maybe that's why companies go it alone while hoping they alone gain the market share…this is just another speaking to the truth that these large companies are too large and greedy

  17. consumers need an Intranet of things not Internet of things in order to keep the hackers out and never use WiFi for stuff like this

  18. Didn't they reinvent mqqt? 🤔🤔🤔

    Edit : Why don't you make a video about the possibilities of home assistant ? (With node-red or zigbee2mqqt)

  19. Obligatory xkcd reference: https://xkcd.com/927/

    All jokes aside, I hope that this one ends up being the one that rules them all. For both those companies and us users.

  20. Compatibility is a huge step. I wounder why they picked the least secure communication system. I bet its to be able to get information in and out of the house for what ever reason.

  21. Sounds good. I recently installed a Starling hub to connect my Nest Protect smoke detectors to Homekit. Works great. I wished the integration of Abode with Homekit was as easy. I'd say it partially works. Hue hub and devices have been solid – very good products.

  22. Hey Matt, it's about time. However, I got mix feeling about this smart home news. On one hand, I am like you, can't wait for things to work seamlessly with one another, but on the other hand, we have too many players in a game which can make things more complicated and struggle to gain momentum. Good stuff, keep up the good work Matt!

  23. Where in the hell is Microsoft?!?! They started working on smart homes over 10 years ago. Although great news, WTH has taken so long for something like this… Hope they make it work this time.

  24. Attempting a new standard without including the biggest market in the world in this space is a mistake. Chinese smart homes are many development years ahead of the West, yet no Chinese companies included. Good luck!

  25. Why not use MQTT? MQTT clients can be programed by just a few commands. I see no reason why most everything can’t be handled by a ESP 8266 with it’s built in WiFi for as little as $5 dollars for a smart switch. MQTT can still be used and give unlimited room for innovation. MQTT can be compatibility built on almost any micro controller. For all those that can do a little programming, we must demand MQTT for all devices and come up with turn key solutions for all those who aren’t so tech inclined.

  26. Constantly trying to tame the west that you speak of. So excited fro the next wave, hate the idea of having to replace all the devices already in place , it’s actually hard to remember which smart kid controls what device. Your videos are awesome!!

  27. That was a very nice video, its nice to hear there finnaly working on something that unifice (hopefully) all smart home tech. Thank for the info your great.

  28. I laugh at this in building automation system. Building automation systems for Office Buildings and such have had a unifying communication protocol for a long time and it still doesn't work. I hope this does but we will still be talking about it 15 years in the future and it still won't be working right. As far as it being the bigger players in the Smart Home I laugh at this in building automation system. building animation systems for Office Buildings and such have had a unified communication protocol for a long time and it still doesn't work. I hope this does but we will still be talking about it 15 years in the future and it still won't be working right. and as far as it being the bigger players in the Smart Home well all the players for building automation systems were involved in developing the protocol.

  29. So if and when Wifi6 happens does that mean we won’t need things like Google wifi or Access points to have stable good internet

  30. This is excellent news but a shame its going to take so long to work out..if it does work out. Right now for instance I'm all in on Googles gear because I find the A.I to be the most intelligent and easy for my family to deal with. But Amazon has this great peephole camera for your front door and I'd like to buy that right now but it would require I add a load of amazon screens around the home along side the Google ones. That's not going to happen so I can't use it. Amazon lose out here and so do Google as some people will switch. Its in their own interests to work together but with Amazon refusing to even sell Google gear on their site. I don't really hold out that much hope this will work really well and seamlessly for the customer. fingers crossed!

  31. I love all my smart home gear, but the possibility of them ALL interacting is very exciting. I hate the fact that I've got to go to my Google Home for somethings and my Alexa for others…

  32. Great, they're working together to end your last shred of privacy while at the same time ending what little free speech you have left. I think I'll leave my life insurance to Samsung in the hopes that they can compete with this power grab. South Korea isn't dependant on knowing everything about my family from birth to death to make money.

  33. IF that really happens lets hope it really does lower the cost ie: Lowering manufacturing costs doesn't automatically lower end user costs. MOST times it just means more money into the pockets of CEOs and Shareholders. It took a long time for all those phone companies to agree on a universal charging system, sans Iphone. This is what is holding back EV cars. The standards for charging these cars is a mishmash of networks. Lets home someday we can all get along and just work together.

  34. As always – Matt I do enjoy your perspective, quality of video and content. As an old IT person, I was around during the technology wars of modems and the disjointed battles 'standards' caused for years. Personally, while I hope I'm wrong, companies all have their own agendas and I don't see this coming together in the timeframe you mentioned! Recall Onvif? (camera standardization?) whats that been now, 6 years? ugh. proprietary to protect market share is the negative of capitalism! I mean, look at hubitat and their attempt to bring local what all the vendors are pushing to cloud! they've locked their device and provide .. . never mind. not starting up that flame war. Keep it coming Matt!

  35. Google, Amazon and Apple are service based companies that gives me pause. Will they work to limit data collection, when that is the basis of their business? If CHIP is just a control standard then ALL the hardware manufacturers should form a standards body, and just write an Internet RFC.

  36. This concept could advance the use of smart spaces of all kinds. I could foresee a day when you no longer need to rent or own a home. A personal profile could configure a space for your need for a required length of time at the end of which it could be reconfigured for the next user. Why pay for more space or time in a space than you really need?

  37. Smart move (and decisive, when made by several top players) to establish universal format (like MIDI and USB) that lets all devices "talk" to each other.

  38. I shared this with the guys in our technology division. Great take on what direction everything could take. Kudos Matt.

  39. "CHIP" is the all encompassing data mining programme for selling your private information to highest bidder 😉
    My very first thought when those 3 work together

  40. You're not going to even mention the downsides of this? Like the information drag net it's going to create, or how poor the science confirming these higher energy frequencies are safe are…

  41. Matt, really enjoy your show with the exception of that ugly Tesla truck. I hope they come up with a regular looking truck after a few years. I would not want that truck if they gave it to me!

  42. Matt, can you do a few videos of the Boring machine project in Vegas. Not a lot of info on this venture. Thanks in advance

  43. This is not going to work because of their ego. As soon as one of them gets ahead, the other ones will stop supporting it.

  44. Great news! My Insteon has gotten older and older, I have almost replaced it all. Too bad this original didn’t Keep up.

  45. Tuya already did this… yes, it's Chinese… quality, security, bla-bla… but only them tried to offer lots of cheap and kinda universal solutions… until now.

  46. In 2020 the smart home industry should WOW us, not frustrate us. I hope you are correct and the industry gets it act together. I am an IT geek (profession) and I have been brought to tears trying to get some things to work. I am not exaggerating.

  47. It is a better overall when all competitors that can work together, not only will all things work seamlessly together creating a better overall user experience, but it can also introduce others to competitors ecosystems, where maybe they have something that others just might like to become educated about. Isn't life better when we all get along? Just hope they all find a uniform secure system to keep out hackers and make our smart home truly safe. Future always looks bright no matter how you look at it. Great to live in a world where we always find a way to innovate and improve our world.

  48. Perhaps adding low volt DC houses/standard would speed up adoption of tomorrow's home ( with CHIP and WIFI 6). Except for high energy appliances, most of what we use can run or can easily be modified to run efficiently on 12 Volts … light bulbs, phones, door bells, computers, monitors, etc. Plus many of us already have DC sources such as batteries and solar panels. Reducing the need for traditional costly electricians to build / modify houses will spawn in-home low volt smart home innovations. Why not have low volt DC houses, or at least 95% low cold DC? Thoughts?

  49. Hey buddy, your logo is a Shazam ripoff. Talk about creativity and originality. Pfff🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  50. Wow! Incredible video. Thanks so much for sharing this information. I'm excited to see how this shapes out! I have SmartThings, Philips Hue and connect them both to Google Home and Alexa. I am a huge fan however of HomeKit, but have never really been able to use it, except with Hue! I would LOVE to be able to use HomeKit with all of my devices connected to SmartThings! Lastly, I've been worried about Z-Wave vs Zigbee. About a year or so, I invested quite bit in the Z-Wave wall switches from GE to replace all of my light switches in the house. I have about 40 or so of them. I've been worried about the move to Zigbee and if all my Z-Wave switches would soon be obsolete! Can you give me some insight and your thoughts? Much appreciated and thanks again for such a great video! Subscribed!

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